1) There is no verse in the Bible that says, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Go ahead and look. I will wait. Okay, now that we have settled that, can we agree that you can’t say it is in the Bible anymore? It is not. You can twist a few verses around to try to make it fit for you, but Christians like to do a lot of that anyway, so that is not a shocker. Just stop saying it because you sound ignorant when you do.
2) This phrase is used against LGBT people to justify hatred. So, it’s ironic to think about the fact that some Christians preach about how God is love and try to act like they are such good and moral people, yet their hateful, abusive, and bully-like behavior toward LGBT people is pathetic. I have been taking a class for foster parenting for the past few weeks with my daughter, who is considering taking in a foster child. At least two families in the class have adamantly admitted that they do NOT want an LGBT child/teen in their household. One mother implied that having a gay boy around her sons will corrupt her sons. Really? With up to 20% of youth in foster care identifying as LGBT, I find this kind of attitude disgusting! But, when I think about it more deeply, I realize that LGBT kids would not want to be in their home either. Who wants to be preached at and told they are not okay being who they are. How about Christians worry more about their own hateful attitude toward LGBT people and less about this ridiculous saying. Telling people to love a person yet hate who they are is a sad way to act like a person who is supposed to show love. To love someone is to show unconditional love toward that person.
3) Who are you to decide what is a “sin” and what isn’t? It seems to me that many Christians choose to identify sins as something that they themselves feel negative feelings toward. Some Christians see tattoos and piercings as a sin. They think you should not modify your body. They may also see alcohol, cigarettes, smoking pot or even dancing as a sin. Does that make those things wrong? No. The thing that Christians can’t get into their heads is that, as much as they are free to practice any religion they would like, they are not free to force those views on the rest of us. Including other religious groups, agnostics, atheists or anyone else.
4) It sounds so damn self-righteous! Maybe some people have heard this saying so much that they think it sounds normal. It does not sound normal at all. It sounds mean, holier-than-thou and just plain rude and hateful. As I stated before, feel free to believe the way you want, but don’t expect the rest of us to go along with you. When you say that you love a sinner, but hate their sin expect a lot of people to see you as an asshole and NOT a good, moral, decent human who cares about other humans.
5) I know I touched on this above, but it needs to be said again. Telling a person that WHO they are is “sinful” is horribly messed up and damaging. Especially to young kids and teenagers. With all of LGBT kids committing suicide in the United States, it is time that we try to make them feel loved, safe and protected. NOT THE OPPOSITE! I would think that Christians would be more focused on things that are offensive and immoral to most of us. Most Christians use this phrase as a passive-aggressive weapon against LGBT people. However, you rarely hear them say, “Love the murderer, hate that he murdered someone,” Or “Boy do we love that child rapist, but we hate that he raped a child.” Rarely does anyone who has a normal set of morals and ethics try to show a lot of love toward these kinds of people. Which proves my point that it is another cherry-picking technique that is used as a microaggression toward people of whom Christians disapprove.
Let's work on trying to show kindness and love to others, the way you claim that Christ has commanded you to do, and leave the rest of us who are just trying to live our lives alone. It would be great if you would consider stopping using this offensive phrase.
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ReplyDeleteAmen..(sorry, couldn't resist that). But I seriously agree with you,especially on the " Hate the sin, love the winner " BS!.
ReplyDeleteI meant Sinner NOT winner. Stupid spellchecker!and it tried to change it again, Good thing I looked just before hitting post.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you a few questions. Do you hate religious people, particularly Christians? If your answer is "no", then do you hate religion? If your answer is "yes", I guess you don't hate Christians but, hate their religion. What is the difference between "Love the Christian and hate the religion?" and "Love the sinner hate the sin."? Would it make you a hypocrite if you like Christians but, hate their religion? There is a good example of love the sinner hate the sin in literature. In "Anna Karenia", Levin a nonreligious man loves his friend, Stiva; but hates his act of adultery. Is it not possible for a child to love her alcoholic father, but hate his alcohol addiction? Is it not possible for a man to his incarcerated daughter, but hate the crimes she committed? Is it not possible for a woman to love her husband but hate his gambling habit? Is it not possible for a woman to love her wife but, hate her wife's porn addiction?
ReplyDeleteThe many theological questions one may have can indeed be daunting, though the core belief is quite clear. My "thorn in the flesh" is, I think, a kind of grace, even though I hate being an ugly and mentally ill hunchback. Because ...
ReplyDelete... let's say I reject my faith, then what? If I lived according to my own heart, I would simply commit suicide, for I hate this vulgar, decadent world, not to speak of my useless loser existence! There is no other reason for me to be alive except if it's true that God died for man. Why would I continue living the life of a low-status loser? Even some Christians look down on low-status losers.
This does not prove God, but my position is similar to that of the Catholic poet Reinhold Schneider, who survived a suicide attempt at age 18, and endure until he died at age 55. He even wrote an essay against suicide. Without his faith, he wouldn't have; just as Nietzsche hated his life, as is clear from reading his letters from 1882/83 and the unpublished writings ("Nachlaß") of that time. (I do not want life _again_! How did I endure it? By being creative. […].)
What this does prove, though, is that the motives of atheists are not pure. While some Christians may be going overboard with some of their attempts to convince others of Christ intellectually, they at least know it is a kind of duty to defend Christ and witness for Him.
But the atheist? When I was an atheist, I was also anti-natalist and my aim was to get at least suicide legalized. Because this is the outcome of atheism: if you aren't a hedonist---let alone having the means for such a vulgar life style---then suicide is the rational choice, especially if plagued by genetic shortcomings that won't go away, like being ugly, mentally ill, without talents etc. A below-average to average schlub.
I think Jay Dyer or Vox Day, maybe even Chris Langan---whose theology, I guess, is not as Biblical as that of the former two---would make an ample opponent ready to debate atheism.
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